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Dec 31, 2007 16:30:47 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Dec 31, 2007 16:30:47 GMT -5
my friend is interested in airsoft and wants a sniper rifle but can't spend a lot. any suggestions on a gun, probably an aeg or springer.
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snipers
Jan 1, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -5
Post by WarChild on Jan 1, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -5
unless you spend $700+ on a sniper rifle, you're not going to get one that can outrange regular AEG's.
and if you can't shoot farther than a regular gun, then what's the point of being a sniper? if you have the same range as a regular gun, you are at a massive disadvantage with a sniper rifle. you've got a single shot weapon and everyone else is on full-auto.
if your friend wants something that's accurate and has good range, any long-barreled AEG will do the job just fine, and you'll have full-auto too. M14's, full length G3's, M16's and full length G36's are all good choices for designated marksman type rifles.
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Jan 1, 2008 13:45:55 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 1, 2008 13:45:55 GMT -5
thx again
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Jan 1, 2008 13:49:02 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 1, 2008 13:49:02 GMT -5
are the g&g m14 good aegs or do they have a lot of problems? or what would be the cheapest reliable effective long range regular aeg?
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Jan 1, 2008 19:04:52 GMT -5
Post by amano999 on Jan 1, 2008 19:04:52 GMT -5
M14's are pretty heavy too. Your friend may not like the extra wieght. Range is good, but if you play poorly it won't matter. I know plenty of people who bought sniper rifles, put in lots of money then end up selling cause the style of play is not for then.
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Jan 1, 2008 22:34:12 GMT -5
Post by tds on Jan 1, 2008 22:34:12 GMT -5
As the head sniper guy for WNYAL, I agree with todd
If you want to try sniping, just get an aeg, if your friend naturally finds himself ghosting on units, sneaking up on people, ect. ect. then he may want to pick up a stock vsr-Gpsec and try it out.
If it doesn't come naturally it is very, very difficult to learn, unlike real life airsoft snipers have no advantage whatsoever against standard players, you have no range advantage even with a fully upgraded gun a player that has a zero on your position can lay a rain of ammo down on you by arcing it and will get you in short order. A snipers game is entirely misdirection and stealth, neither of which is easy.
There's basically two kinds of "snipers" that we tend to at ops, you can be either. The first kind gets no FPS advantage, but no restrictions either, you can wear a ghillie, go off by yourself or with a unit, ambush and attack at will, pretty much do whatever you want just like any other player.
The second kind is an official "sniper/scouts", you have a higher FPS limitation but can only use a semi auto weapon (full auto needs to be physically disabled), you have to run in a 2 man unit and you both have to pass a safety and stealth course. These snipers are given different missions from their faction and report directly to the game organizer. There are also a limited number of these teams (even zero) allowed at every op. The idea of the second group is to give players that want a more realistic sniper experience something to do besides plug dozens of people with a gun that hurts more than usual, your team basically becomes a resource of the op organizer, you aren't really on a faction and may get called in to do just about anything, from going behind enemy lines and marking objectives to assassinating specific targets to finding enemy bases to neutralizing your own guys if your team is doing a bit too well and is starting to throw off the op schedule.
Like what everyone is saying, get a gun, preferably a long one so that you get used to carrying the extra weight and crawling around with a huge weapon, and as you get better in half a year or so and think you are ready. I highly suggest not upgrading a gun and/or running lowcaps so you get used to being outgunned and making every shot count, you'll become a much better player, much faster with an inferior gun than you will standing around with an upgraded 50zillion rounds per second drum mag thing spraying at anything that moves (its pretty common for me to take the field with nothing but a mellee weapon or pistol w/1 mag and still get half a dozen people), once you blow the cash on an exceptionally accurate gun, even the players that think they are the greatest thing ever become pretty easy pickings.
Pretty much all aegs perform the same, or can be setup to shoot the same, the main factors to consider when you get a gun is how you like how it feels, the cost/size of magazines (for example if you like lowcaps you dont want a UMG or p90 since no cheap locaps exist and g36 mags are hard to find pouches for) and lastly, what your buddies are running with so in a pinch they can toss you a mag.
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snipers
Jan 2, 2008 16:01:53 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 2, 2008 16:01:53 GMT -5
well thanks for the comment. my friend needs a sniper because he just doesn't shoot. he waits for the perfect shot but there really is no perfect shot in airsoft. he's pretty strong so he can take the weight but he doesn't really moves whick is why i think he should get a m14. then if i or another friend of mine makes a charge at him he can switch to full auto and blast us. what range can a m14 get? i only play with friends and don't have suped up guns. i use a CA sportline m4 and my other friends use a G&G mp5, so im pretty sure that m14 will out shoot us right?
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Jan 2, 2008 17:45:20 GMT -5
Post by tds on Jan 2, 2008 17:45:20 GMT -5
M14's have a good clicky-hopup that holds its position well, and a V shaped nub that gives them a little more range than usual, but its nothing that you cant get in any other gun for like 20 bucks.
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Jan 2, 2008 21:05:28 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 2, 2008 21:05:28 GMT -5
thx so is it a good buy for giving him an advantage or should he go with something else like a full length g36 or m16?
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Post by tds on Jan 3, 2008 4:54:28 GMT -5
I personally like m14's and yes, they do give a little better stock performance, but like I said, you can get any other gun to fire just as well by replacing the hop bucking and hopup nub with an H hop, he should pick the gun that he likes the feel of and not worry about performance.
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snipers
Jan 3, 2008 19:34:03 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 3, 2008 19:34:03 GMT -5
also the AGM m14 is cheaper than a g&g m14 but i dont know if thats the cheap version. he needs something cheap so i thought the AGM m14 on airsplat.com was a good deal for him cas he cant spend a lot. what do u think?
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snipers
Jan 3, 2008 19:41:21 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 3, 2008 19:41:21 GMT -5
so i think the m14 is the best gun for him but what is the cheapest reliable brand like G&G or maybe and echo 1 m14?
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Jan 3, 2008 22:25:31 GMT -5
Post by WarChild on Jan 3, 2008 22:25:31 GMT -5
Echo 1 makes a nice SOCOM M14 for only $180. G&G's are awesome but run $255-$355. Stop by the store if you want to see the Echo 1. I just ordered one about a week ago. it should be in either tomorrow or tuesday.
stay away from the AGM, it's a piece of crap.
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Post by tds on Jan 4, 2008 2:15:00 GMT -5
The new G&G's that are pre-upgraded and such are supposed to be REALLY REALLY nice, the originals had trigger issues but those were fixed apparently
acms are crap as todd said echo 1's are nice, probably the best made clone aeg ive seen
TM's are everything about a clone but better, not "boy this was worth twice as much" better, but all the lines are smoother, its better finished, and it goes together much easier.
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Post by overlord1228 on Jan 5, 2008 8:51:13 GMT -5
thx ill see if my friend can come up with the cash for the echo 1 socom m14. thx again for all ur help.
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Post by overlord1228 on Jan 5, 2008 9:04:35 GMT -5
how does the echo 1 614 perform? it might be a gun im interested in.
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Jan 5, 2008 10:23:07 GMT -5
Post by WarChild on Jan 5, 2008 10:23:07 GMT -5
how does the echo 1 614 perform? it might be a gun im interested in. no one in our area has one yet.
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snipers
Jan 7, 2008 20:15:00 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Jan 7, 2008 20:15:00 GMT -5
i saw that it was coming soon to the store on the website. i wondered what it was like?
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Post by jackal on Feb 2, 2008 1:28:21 GMT -5
hate to steal the topic but i personnal was just thinking about snipers in airsoft and if i would enjoy the new expirence. (sidenote) my friend cleric got an a&k saw from the warstore and its beautiful and i thought to myself that i would like to have a specialized weapon in case i ever wanted to play a different role. unlike overlords friend i do have the money to spend. i was thinking of getting a CA m41 sportsmatch with tightbore and an m170 complete systema mechabox. whatcha think?
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Feb 2, 2008 10:53:33 GMT -5
Post by tds on Feb 2, 2008 10:53:33 GMT -5
The problem with AEG "snipers" is they arent any more accurate or robust than any other gun, and they fail in a hurry unless you go PTW.
Besides the loudness of an aeg gearbox, aeg hops just aren't designed to be super accurate, they are designed to last a zillion rounds. Sniper rifle hops usually have a ratcheting system like the TM-m14, use hop rubbers and levers that are many times thicker than in aegs, and in extreme cases use an unadjustable rubber O ring for hop to take the inconsistency of an adjustable system out of the loop.
I cant see anyone pulling it off, Ive tried and it just doesnt fit my style of play (one sniper vs however many guys) due to the noise and inaccuracy it is too easy to zero in on the sniper. That is assuming you are talking about actual sniping and not just having the title and walking around with a WTF-FPS rifle as a rifleman that fires in semi, which seems to be fine with the irene-style rules todds field will have if you get to play there, but doesn't work at other local fields.
Also, I think a 170 is too hot if you do other things to the gun.
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Post by WarChild on Feb 4, 2008 0:32:31 GMT -5
i was thinking of getting a CA m41 sportsmatch with tightbore and an m170 complete systema mechabox. whatcha think? really, an M150 box is more than sufficient.
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Feb 6, 2008 21:06:31 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 6, 2008 21:06:31 GMT -5
hom much would that CA m41 cost with the tightbore and 150 box? i have money too that i can spend.
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Feb 6, 2008 22:46:33 GMT -5
Post by WarChild on Feb 6, 2008 22:46:33 GMT -5
hom much would that CA m41 cost with the tightbore and 150 box? i have money too that i can spend. gun: $285 tightbore: $50 systema M150 G3 box: $350 systema magnum motor: $98 8.4V 4500mah battery: $45 the ability to reach out and crush your opponent at extremely long range with a 500 FPS gun....priceless!
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Feb 7, 2008 16:01:19 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 7, 2008 16:01:19 GMT -5
haha thats great, thanks. what is a systema m150 g3 box anyway?
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Feb 7, 2008 16:09:34 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 7, 2008 16:09:34 GMT -5
whats the difference between the ca m41 sportsmatch and the sar taktik rifle2?
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Feb 11, 2008 19:16:01 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 11, 2008 19:16:01 GMT -5
i was reading airsoft international and i was interested in project cyclops. how much would those modifictions cost? also if i got the gun and parts, could you make those all of those mods at the wars store?
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Feb 15, 2008 18:46:35 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 15, 2008 18:46:35 GMT -5
todd i was wondering if you can upgrade a vsr-10 like in project cyclops if i bought all the upgrades from you. also can you get a vsr-10 in the shop. im looking to buy it.
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Feb 16, 2008 1:12:07 GMT -5
Post by WarChild on Feb 16, 2008 1:12:07 GMT -5
todd i was wondering if you can upgrade a vsr-10 like in project cyclops if i bought all the upgrades from you. also can you get a vsr-10 in the shop. im looking to buy it. what is project cyclops? we can get a VSR-10, though they cost about $250 for the Pro and $300 for a G-Spec. JG makes an excellent clone for about half that price.
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snipers
Feb 16, 2008 15:27:04 GMT -5
Post by overlord1228 on Feb 16, 2008 15:27:04 GMT -5
in airsoft international, the guys take a tm vsr-10 gspec and upgrade using all laylex parts. its pretty cool.thats project cyclops. it ends up being an expensive upgrade but well worth the power and accuracy. ill prably end up getting the clone than, since i need extra money for all the upgrades. i think ill be coming to the store sunday or monday. also im going to be trading in my g36c with two mags and a silencer
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Feb 16, 2008 23:48:59 GMT -5
Post by sniperbaby3172 on Feb 16, 2008 23:48:59 GMT -5
whats the name of the jg clone?
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